Jimmy Dore went on the Tucker Carlson Show on
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Jimmy Dore, thank you for doing this. My pleasure. Thanks for having me. So it seemed to me so much is happening, it's hard to get perspective on any of it, but it does feel like Thomas Massie's loss in the primary in Kentucky two weeks ago was, like, a kind of pivot point in American politics. What was your response to it?
My response to it was how dare we, preach democracy around the world- Yeah ... and tell people that the people in China are oppressed when we obviously don't have democracy here, right? This is a complete, We just gave up. And and so now it's the oligarchs. As I was telling you before, it's just proof that we don't live in a democracy.
They did that Princeton study in 2015 about how it doesn't... The 90% of people, their wishes never are expressed in legislation, and it's only the top 10% of the wealthy people, and there's a direct correlation. If 50% of the wealthy people want something, 50% of the time it happens, but the bottom doesn't matter.
your vote literally doesn't matter, and we're living in that. And I was telling you before in China, the government sits above capital. And so the economy works for the people. But in the United States, capital is above the government, and so the economy doesn't work for the people.
It works for a handful of international globalist billionaires, which is why we have homelessness everywhere. We have the biggest prison population in the world. And we still go bankrupt just to get educated. You get bankrupt when you get sick. And we live in a surveillance state.
And so we're like China except we have more street crime and slower trains. And we get lectured constantly in the most self-righteous way by the worst people. it's a hard jump for your average right-winger, me for example, to accept the fact that corporations are even more malicious than government.
I think that's... I'm coming around to that just because the evidence is overwhelming. But I do think there's a training that takes place where you just have someone point to Soviet Poland and you're like, "That's the option to what we have?" And you're like, "I don't want that. You believe that's the option? That was the option. Oh. So either you have Google runs everything and, They do it in Technicolor and it's free and it's great, or the state runs everything and it's Soviet Poland.
Yeah. And I do think the average right-winger ha- or again I'll s- I'll just say for my, speak for myself, it's hard to accept that You wanna live in a system where billionaires don't control everything. That's not good. That's ... look around. That's the- You're right ... this is the system we're living in.
And, corporations, there's no long-term planning, right? At least in China they have long-term planning, right? Yeah. Which is why they get to have flying cars and great infrastructure and beautiful bridges that make their own waterfalls and own rainbows, stuff like that. It's just amazing. And in here
Because in- corporations only care about quarterly profits, so they don't care if the whole company crashes as long as they can show a profit in the quarter. And that's the problem. There's no long-term planning in America, And, I also have a firm belief that like in California, they spent $24 billion to try to fix homelessness, and none of it
It just got worse. And, I think you've talked about this, that it seems planned because it probably is, that they want us to live in this kinda hellscape so we beg for authoritarian solutions to these problems. Yes, that's right. And that's what they're doing, right? It all started with 9/11.
They had the Patriot Act already written before 9/11, right? So they ... and as Edward Snowden revealed, that, they're collecting every text, every phone call, every email you make anyway, so we live under sur- And then it's just getting wor- Flock cameras. It's like what you said to Kevin O'Leary.
It's like the, "Oh, they're there to help fight crime." Really? Crime rate's going down, are they? No. No. Yeah, this is what happens. And Thomas Massie, a guy who won almost unanimously and then he, his positions didn't change. But then all of a sudden he loses, and loses big, right?
Lost by 10 points. And it just, it was all propaganda and lies, and who knows if they also fiddled with the vote, why would you put that past them? Why? Of course they would. The people who slaughter people for profit, which is what been the last 25 years since 9/11, just slaughtering people for profit.
They wouldn't rig an election? Of course they would. Of course. Yeah. And, If it's important enough to murder people, it's important enough to take over electronic voting machines, of course ... And by the way, that's the one thing you're not allowed to say ... you're not you know- So that's always a tip.
before 2020, the Democrats used to scream about the- Oh, I remember ... and I have video after video I show on my show about the Democrats saying how easily hacked these electronic voting machines are, and then there was a day you can't say it anymore, right? Just like you used to be able to criticize big pharma, and then there was a day you got, you can't do it anymore, right?
Remember? And so y- yeah, of c- of course those people would rig elections. You're, pe- people risk their lives to rob liquor stores, so right, a lot's at stake. But I al- I kinda wonder, like, why do we have electronic voting machines that are not faster?
You don't get to vote faster. Right? takes forever. So what is the purpose? What's the utility? Why do we still have them? Why not just, I don't know, give a thumbprint like they do in- Yeah ... civilized countries like Malawi? It's easier to control. Why? That's the obvious, right?
The easiest answer, right? It's easier to control the vote. Anyway, we don't, again, we don't live in a democracy. And then there's always the people who say Jimmy, we don't live in a constitutional republic," right? The people who say that, which is true. Of course. But that is a form of democracy.
Yes. So I always have to tell people that is a form of democracy. Yes. You don't have direct democracy because majority rules is a bad thing, that you have to have a constitution which protects the right of the minority- Exactly ... in case the, when you have a, y- tyranny of the majority, which is what we had during COVID.
Yeah. Good point. But in both a direct democracy and a constitutional republic the core idea is the same, which is the people rule. It's their country. It belongs to them. Yeah. So- So now I guess my, my- right now we have a, we're having a governor's race in California, and so they have the, they have a, it's called a jungle primary.
So instead of Democrats and Republicans having their own primary, they have one big primary. Everybody's in it, including independents, including no party preference people, and the top two vote getters then face off in... And so that's to make sure that it's just Democrats, right?
Yeah. So that's what that is, 'cause we have one party rule in California, and if you think that's good, go to California and see how it's working out. And so they have a jungle primary and so someone, it Democrats are so unpopular now, even in California, that they're afraid that a Republican or two Republicans might, because the Democrats might split the vote, and then two Republicans sneak in.
And they asked this to Governor Newsom, and they said what if that happens?" And he said we have a plan. We have a break the glass plan," meaning, an emergency, you break the glass. So he's literally saying, "Don't worry. we're not gonna allow democracy to work.
If the vote doesn't go the way we want, we have a break the glass moment, and we're gonna fix that." He said that out loud? He said that out loud. And just like when but he pays no price for this. Just like when he said, So in California, like I said, they spent $24 billion to fix homelessness.
Homelessness got worse. And unanimously, the legislature passed a bill saying, "Hey let's have transparency on how that money was spent." Passed unanimously. Gavin Newsom vetoed it, and he pays no political price for that. Nobody even brings it up. And again the one-party rule is again, where it's like we're in California.
We're like China, but with more street crime and slower trains. will it change? I hate to be a pessimist, but no. I don't see it changing. You talk to people my friend lives in the Pacific Palisades. Her house did not burn down, and they're having a vote for mayor, and she was asking this guy who was standing there in a burned out property.
And then, "Who are you gonna vote for mayor?" And he's whoever the Democrats say." That was a d- almost a direct quote. And so they don't, just like when the fires happened, I would talk to my neighbors. They go then Jimmy, there's nothing they can do." And then, of course, there's a million things they could do, right?
There's nothing they can do. And I go, did you know that there was a reservoir above the Pacific Palisades that holds 113 millions gallons of water? They drained it before the fires. Did you know that?" They go, "Yeah, but that wouldn't have helped." This is a direct quote.
I'm like, "I guess she didn't go to firefighting school 'cause water's the number one thing." And so that's the their mentality. So this whole idea half the country thinks, oh, their party is better than the other party, and it's oh, there's one party that's obviously better than the other party.
Really? I wonder if this is a trap. How could this be used against us? And that's exactly what it is, right? Just like George Carlin said, you get 40 different brands of cereal. You get two political parties, and it's used against you. At least in China, p- people can hold their politicians accountable 'cause they got no b- other party to blame.
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It does seem the reason I asked will it change, because it does seem like it can't continue Like this. So what I said after m- Thomas Massie was that, the last time that the establishment was this unresponsive to its citizens, w- George Washington picked up a gun and started shooting people.
That's right. And I'm not advocating violence- I'm not either ... obviously. And but what we need to do, and the truckers in Canada during COVID laid a template for this, which is why they overreacted to them so hard, because they knew they didn't want them... Just like when Joe Biden crushed that railroad strike.
They had to do that because that would have showed everybody the power of workers. Because the railroad is the backbone of capitalism, and if you shut that down, it shuts down, and the oligarchs get hurt, right? And so they had to stop that. They made it illegal for them to, to go on strike. And so what I said is that, after Thomas Massie, is that we need to have, what if all the railroad workers just didn't show up for work for a week or so? What if the port workers didn't show up? What if all the truck drivers didn't show up, and then they went and they occupied Wall Street? which is why Occupy Wall Street scared the hell out of them.
because that was the left and the right.
You had the Tea Party upset about the banks. You had the left progressives upset about the banks.
They had a common interest, 'cause that's the thing they don't want you to know, is that we actually have a common interest. They want you to keep turning against your neighbor like your neighbor's the problem.
Exactly. And your neighbor's not your problem. Your neighbor is suffering under the same oligarchy that you're suffering under. Exactly. And they don't want you to realize that you have shared interests, and that we can work on the other stuff later, but we gotta come together to stop these W- E-F globalist billionaires that actually run and dictate our lives.
we need to have, if all the grocery store workers, all the UPS, all the Amazon... if they... And if a couple of them did it together it would show the power of the workers that we actually can take. And then you have to have a protest. When you have a protest, you have to have a demand.
So that's why you know those No Kings marches, right- Yeah ... or protests. Those are psyops. And- Of course ... how do you know they're a psyop? 'Cause there's no demand You have to have a demand, a concrete demand. And so if the workers shut down, if the railroad workers, port workers, truck drivers, if they shut down, they have a demand.
The demand is no outside money in elections. We have publicly funded elections. We have an election cycle that's six weeks instead of two years, and you can't have corporate money. You can't have any of that stuff. It has to be publicly funded. And people say, "Who's gonna pay for that?" It costs us trillions of dollars every year because we have corporations funding our elections.
It would save us trillions of dollars, and we'd have a more responsive democracy if we had publicly funded elections. So that would be my demand. If you're gonna have a protest, you gotta have a demand. And when you see a protest without a demand, that's how you know it's a psyop.
That's how you know it's to bring people back into the two-party duopoly- Exactly ... and hating each other. Seems if you're going to try to compel someone to do something he doesn't wanna do, you have to do something he really doesn't want you to do. The Occupy Wall Street, which I, especially in retrospect, we needed that.
But the tactic was, like, have a protest. They don't care about your protest. What they do care about is money. Why has no one ever organized millions of Americans to say stop paying their credit card bills or stop paying their student loans? Why are people paying student loans? I- I don't understand that.
It seems like that might get the attention of the people in charge. Yeah that certainly would. And you know how they... michael Parenti who died recently, and he was a real f- friend of the working man, and he said, the oligarchs, they don't care about if you have healthcare, they don't care about if
you can afford a house. They don't care if you have to go bankrupt getting an education. The only thing they actually do care about is what you think. That's actually what they care about. That's smart. And that's why they spend all this money on propaganda, that's why they own the media. That's why they constantly keep you propagandized, and the best propaganda is the stuff you don't realize-
that is propaganda. You just internalize it, and you think that's just the way things are. They care what you think. That's so interesting. That's the only thing they care about, because- That's a deep insight. 'Cause sometimes it feels like they don't care what you think, but of course they do, because the propaganda's just relentless.
Yeah. And Michael, anybody, you could go watch his speeches on YouTube, they're all over the place, and he's got a great sense of humor. And he was what Noam Chomsky pr- people pretend he is, right? Yeah, exactly. Yeah, he was the real deal. you know how you can tell that, so Michael Parenti got kicked out of academia in the '70s, and he couldn't get a job, and he was blacklisted. He was because he spoke up against the Vietnam War, stuff like that. Yeah. And that's how you know he's the real deal. Noam Chomsky had a job forever at MIT. I know. He no problem, and he was never, his job was never threatened.
And so he was what, eh, Ch- what Chomsky taught me, that the, there's the Overton window. There's as far left as you can go, right? So they'll have on people on the cable news shows that talk about war. It's never, "Hey, we shouldn't have a war," it's always how much war should we have?"
And that- Exactly ... then you have those discussions. Exactly. And so Chomsky was there to go, "You can't go any farther than l- him." So if you go farther left than him, then you're a crazy nut, you're a conspiracy theorist. Yes. And he was the one, who said, "Doesn't m- who cares who killed-" President Kennedy.
That's what Chomsky said. Yeah. Who cares who overthrew our government? Who did a coup on our government? Who cares? that's a CIA talking about the same thing he repeated back that 9/11 happened exactly the way George Bush said it did, and Dick Cheney, who, by the way, when they were asked about it testified in secret behind closed doors not under oath and together.
So yeah I- I, Chomsky said he affirmed the official story- Yeah ... of 9/11? Yeah. Yeah That- ... that's why you, you should I- I advocate- That's a radical? That's a radical. And I always tell people, what woke me up to it was, like, I'm not an engineer, but I saw Building 7. First of all, it was broadcast 20 minutes that it had fallen down by BBC before it ever fell.
They go, "Oh, it f- fell down." And then you're like, wait a minute, this building that wasn't hit by a plane hit a building 200 yards away from it- Yeah, very far away, yeah ... and then it fell into its own footprint out of sympathy for the other buildings? What? And so that's when I knew something was up, and when I started my first comedy podcast in 2007 with with Todd Glass and my wife Steph, and I talked about that.
And people are like, "Jimmy Dore's a crazy conspiracy theorist." I'm like, "What?" And then even people like Rosie O'Donnell would bring it up on The View. I don't know if you remember that. No. Yeah, she was like, "Building 7," and I'm like, "Ah, I know I'm onto something," right? And whenever you're not allowed to question something, that's when you know they're up to something.
Of course. And I experienced that with Seth Rich. So Seth Rich, by the way, still not solved. Nobody knows who killed him. And- It was a robbery in which nothing was taken ... it was a botched robbery where they didn't take his watch, they didn't take his wallet, they didn't take his phone. And I was just asking normal questions about the Seth.
So the theory was that when WikiLeaks published e- emails, right? They said it was Russia hacked into the DNC server. But the theory was that this guy was upset that they had rigged the primary against Bernie Sanders. Exactly. He was a real patriot, and so he had downloaded those onto a thumbnail, and he gave them some, through an intermediary, gave it to WikiLeaks.
And Julian Assange all but confirmed it, right? He didn't strictly speaking confirm it, but he basically confirmed it. Exactly. And, But I'm very concerned- about Seth Rich's murder, which is, by the way, still on YouTube and worth watching 'cause Julian Assange is m- maybe the smartest person I've ever met.
Yeah, and talk about guts, right? I think people who, on the left for years, people were, "Free Julian Assange." I didn't pay that much attention, and then I got to know Julian Assange, and I realized Julian Assange is way more of a hero even than people pretended he was.
Yes, very much. And I was very flattered. His family came to see me when I was in Australia. Yeah, when I was in Melbourne, they showed up. A wonderful man. Anyway, But he basically confirmed the Seth Rich story. So- The crazed conspiracy theory. So Seth Rich, there's all these questions about his murder, right?
Like, where was he when he left the bar to the time he got murdered? There's hours. Where was he? What was he doing? Nobody... And so there's all this stuff, and wh- how come there's no video of this? There's no this. Where's his computer? How come we can't see?
And then the Washington Post put me in a hit piece, right? That I was a crazy conspiracy theorist, and they put me in a hit piece. This is when legacy media was afraid of YouTube taking away their viewers. Yes. And so they would run these hit pieces on YouTubers, and I was one of them, and they put me in one.
Look at all these. There's Nazis on YouTube. There's white supremacists on YouTube. There's all this, "Hey, your kids are going down rabbit holes. They're being radicalized on YouTube." And they put me in there. And they put about Seth Rich, right? And I don't even want, I don't wanna even mention the guy who did it, but the guy who did it works for The Washington Post
He's the guy he did pro-war rallies for the Iraq War, right? When he was in college. And of course that's the guy Jeff Bezos taps to go cover progressive politics. And so anyway, he puts me in this hit piece, and nobody really had my back on it. And I remember I was on a panel one day on The Young Turks with Cenk Uygur and Ben Mankiewicz, and I said to them, "Can you remember the last time a reporter wasn't allowed to ask questions about an unsolved murder?"
And they're like no, I don't know." They didn't know. And I'm like, "Of course. This is crazy." And so people would slander me, Jimmy Dore's a Seth Rich conspiracy theorist, right? And a- and the big thing was you're not supposed to ask questions 'cause it hurts the family and it, it's upsetting their family.
Really? I've been watching John F. Kennedy get his head blown off since I was a kid. What about his family? Exactly. Nobody seems to care. No, that's right ... so that's how you know that was... Plus, all of us have a right to justice for all American citizens. That's our country's promise. So it's not ab- I respect the family.
I feel obviously bad for them. Their son was murdered. You don't want to offend people unnecessarily, but it's not about a family, it's about the nation, right? Yeah. Do we have a country where murders are solved, or do we have a country in which investigations into murders are thwarted for political reasons?
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And so then people wanted to see the contents of Seth Rich's laptop. Yeah. And at first the FBI said we don't have it." And then they're like, "Okay, we have it, but we can't get the information out." Okay. Then they're like, "Okay, we got the information, but we can't release it because of the ongoing investigation."
And so they lied three times, and then the judge, ordered them to release the contents. They ignored it A second judge said, "You gotta release it." They still haven't released it, so it's been now, 10 or 11 years since he got murdered. We still don't know the contents, so that's how you know they're up to something, and you know there was something to that.
And we know for a fact that Russia did not hack into the DNC server. Oh, I know. I brought Bill Binney on my show, who was the number one codebreaker for the NSA for decades, and he... Immediately, I brought him on my show in 2016 to debunk this, and he said, "Yeah, if they did this, if this was an outside source," he said, "there would be all these telltale signs that they did it."
There, and I'm not a codebreaker, but he would go, "And there's, none of them are there." So this was local, meaning it was downloaded onto a thumb drive. It wasn't- Exactly ... hacked by. And that's how I knew Russiagate was a scam. And Russiagate served many purposes. One of them was to keep Trump from being the populist he ran on the first time.
Yes. And second part was to get people ready for the war in Ukraine because they had that in the chamber for over a decade, and so it, it propagate... I remember when George Bush said he met Putin, and, "I looked into his eyes, and he, I saw he's a good man." Yeah. I'll never forget it. Yeah. He said, "I saw into his soul."
And then they're like, "Hey, we gotta... We gotta stop that," right? They would go fishing together on Kenny Bunkport and stuff. And so Putin was our friend, and then they were like no, we gotta have a war," 'cause, BlackRock, Vanguard, and State Street, they wanted to balkanize Russia.
They wanna split it up and sell it off- Worse ... for parts, which is what they do, right? And they thought they were gonna be able to do that with the Ukraine war, and as Angela Merkel revealed that when they had the peace agreements in the Ukraine, that wasn't really for peace. That was just so the Ukraine had the time to build up their military to get ready for this war that they provoked from Putin.
People don't know anything because the people who want that war own the media. And then people like me who know that, and I tell that story, I'm cul- considered borderline content on YouTube, and they call me a conspiracy theorist on Wikipedia even though I was right about it.
And just like I was right about the Syrian gas attacks, which now the OPCW admits- Yeah ... that they suppressed the whistleblowers. But they, literally, they had... you go to Wikipedia, and it would say Jimmy Dore's a conspiracy theorist 'cause CNN says that the gas attacks happened the way the...
And I'm like, yeah, that's all garbage. And so anyway they're smart- They, just like Michael Parenti said, they only care about what you think, which is why they control the media so they can control what you think, right? And you don't get a $35 million contract for debunking Russiagate. You get a $35 million contract, like Rachel Maddow got, for pushing Russiagate.
In fact, when the war started in Iran, I watched a video of hers, she was still blaming Putin. She's saying he's doing the bidding of... As if Putin wanted that to happen. Because now he gets to sell oil at a higher price. Yeah, that was an unintended consequence of this war. But if you're Rachel Maddow, why not just come out against the war in Iran?
That was a pure Trump thing, and Bibi. Everybody in your audience hates Trump and Bibi, so why wouldn't you just say that? Why blame Putin? Be- That's insane ... because she had s- they have to keep that war going, and she's a puppet of the military industrial com- again, you don't get a $35 million contract, this is what she got for telling the truth.
Tucker, I use you as an example all the time. you don't get fired for lying. He got fired when he started to tell the truth about the neocons and the military industrial complex. The Syrian war, which is when you and I first connected- Exactly ... 'cause we were the two people telling the truth about it.
You were the only other person, and I thought, "Am I going insane? There's no evidence that this happened." I didn't have strong feelings about Assad. He's certainly better than what we have now in Syria, but I was just like, "This just seems as a reporting matter, like a lie," and you were the only other person saying that.
I remember doing a video and I said, "Boy, when, if it comes down to me and Tucker telling the truth about this- ... we're screwed." And of course we are screwed because now Al-Qaeda runs Syria. exactly as I predicted, exactly as Tulsi Gabbard predicted. That if you get rid of Assad, who's gonna take over?
Al-Qaeda or ISIS, by the way, which we're funding and probably created. And the f- isn't it interesting that ISIS and Al-Qaeda, the sworn enemies of Israel, never attack Israel? Isn't that interesting? It is kinda weird. Yeah, it's kinda, it's almost like they invented them for a purpose. People don't care.
People don't... I talk about this, people don't care, especially my, my ex-friends in Hollywood. They have no idea about any of this stuff. They don't know that the... So they see a guy who's running Syria now, and he's got a blue Brooks Brothers suit on, and he's meeting with the president and he's meeting with Petraeus.
He's over at Downing Street, and they're like, "Yeah he's our guy." I'm like, "Do you know he's the former head chopper from Syria, from Al-Qaeda, right?" "Huh? What? I don't... Who? They all look like Kash Patel. I don't know what the hell's going on," it's funny, even the g- the Gulf Arabs when Jolani took over Syria, they were more uncomfortable than our State Department.
Our State Department was like, "Yeah, okay, this is totally fine," 'cause the Israelis wanted it. But even the Gulf Arabs were like, "Ooh, this guy's pretty scary. Really, we going with this?" And Gaddafi predicted all this, and that's why they had to kill him, too. Did he really? Oh, yeah, he predicted... he gave a speech at the Arab League where he talked about, "You don't think they're gonna come for you next?
They're coming for you." And they did, and they came for him because he was a threat to the petrodollar because he was gonna create the dinar, right? And the most successful country in all of Africa, and he was gonna unite Africa, and they can't have that because they wanna go in there, as Michael Parenti says, "It's not a poor continent.
It's a very rich continent, and they just keep the people poor so we can extract all their n- resources," which is what they do. And so he was gonna unite the people of Africa, and they can't have that 'cause that would be a threat to the euro. It'd be a threat to the US dollar, and so that's why he had to go.
Plus, he said, "If you get rid of me, they're gonna flood w- Western Europe." He thought he was safe because if they got rid of him, then all the refugees would go flood, but it turns out that's exactly what they wanted. And why do they want that? They want that for the, because they, again, they want you hating your neighbor.
Of course. They want you to be afraid of your neighbor- Of course ... and fighting so... Just like in the United States, why did they have open borders? And I'm, very pro-immigrant, but the reason why they wanna f- flood the country with, is for it to... Bernie Sanders used to be a, agai- against open borders.
And of course they- To lower wages, obviously ... lower, lower wages, and then keeping poor workers fighting against even poorer, more desperate people. Exactly. Instead of coming together, realizing your common interests, and fighting against the oligarchy.
And what I tell people is if you find yourself angry at someone lower on the economic ladder than you, pretty good chance you're being manipulated by someone higher- ... on the economic ladder than you. And so that's why I'd say, don't blame the immigrant 'cause you would do exactly what they're doing.
I agree. I agree completely. I would do whatever I could to get into the United States. 100%. Yeah. I would lie, cheat, and steal to- I'd walk from Tegucigalpa any day ... to give my kids a better life and myself. And so that's what they did in Europe. So you go there and it's to dilute the culture and get people fighting amongst each other so you don't come together and fight the man.
Gaddafi thought that they didn't want that. He didn't realize that they wanted that. And as soon as they realized that they wanted that, he was gone. So there was many reasons to get rid of him, and of course, Hillary Clinton famously said-
"We came, we saw, he died." And she giggled about it because they're blood-soaked psychopaths. I don't think that's an overstatement. They're all for the Iraq War. They killed a million people in the Iraq War, and look what they did to Libya.
The most, now it's got open slave markets still to this day, and nobody cares. He created a water system which is considered like the eighth wonder of the world, and they bombed it. They bombed it with depleted uranium-tipped bombs.
Why? To make it a failed state. And so now the water's polluted with n- uranium. And- Was that NATO? Yeah, that's the good guys. Yeah. We're the good guys. The defensive alliance? Yeah, the defensive alliance, right? UK, France, and the United States. We were the good guys. That's what people think.
I'll never forget when Tulsi was running for president and she went on Stephen Colbert and he said to her... When she was telling the truth about Syria, right? And she was saying, we shouldn't be doing this regime change wars and stuff."
And he leaned over and he said, "I see America as a force for good in the world," with a straight face, You think America is a force... Do you... Have you looked around the world? We have 1,000 military bases. What has that gotten anybody?
Do you see what we did to Iraq? Do you see what we did to Libya? Do you see what we're currently doing to Syria? He didn't... It's all... Again, that's how you get those jobs, because that's the, what you're gonna say. If they- Exactly ... if they said something like I was gonna say I wouldn't get that job. That, the people like me don't get on TV like that.
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I, not to like sidebar here, but th- what about Colbert, who I always thought was talented? Extremely. He did the best show ever. I liked his show way better than The Daily Show when he did The Colbert Report. Yeah. And then he became that guy. What? How? The guy that he was- Why? Who knows? You- your guess is...
i'm not a psychiatrist, but he became the thing he used to lampoon. He became that guy. And he just repeats military industrial complex talking points. He's... He helped build up the momentum for their Ukraine war, and they let... I said it about Jon Stewart, too.
Jon Stewart, who can... Supremely talented. These people are- Yes ... supremely talented, but he'll never tell his audience the truth about the Ukraine war. Just like he'll never tell people why he hung a medal on a Nazi at W- Disney World, right? And he told the truth about the virus, the COVID virus on Colbert- I remember that
which Colbert kept trying to stop him and cut, take the legs out from underneath his comedy bit, which was brilliant. He had to literally get off the couch and walk towards the camera so he could finish his comedy bit about where the v- COVID virus came from. Do you remember this? Very well. Yes. And so he paid a big social price for that, Jon Stewart.
He did? Yeah. And so he talked about... Boy, I didn't... I found out that I didn't know that certain medicines were political. He was talking about ivermectin, and they- Yeah ... there's a right-wing medicine. He talked about this. And then to make up for that, he had to give a tongue bath to Hillary Clinton and Condoleezza Rice.
I don't know if you remember that. No. Yeah. Where, which when he- Ooh, that's penance. That is penance. And then he had to hang a medal on a Nazi at Disney World, which he'll never go anywhere where anybody will ask. And God, by the way, I'm a big fan of Jon Stewart's and, but I just don't... chris Hedges told, w- told me when the first time he came on my show was that...
I'm like, "Jon Stewart's great. W- he takes down both sides. What..." He's "He'll never challenge the establishment, Jimmy, which is why he's there." And I'm like, "Ah, in a r- in a meaningful way." And that's true And that's why he's allowed to go on those TV shows and have a TV show. Same thing with Bill Maher, right?
If they were f- really a threat, they wouldn't be there. They're not a threat. But Bill Maher, not, I don't wanna be mean, but not a talented guy. I remember going to his house, and he has this amazing house. And it's wow, you've real- on the basis of very little native talent, literally, I know comedians no one's ever heard of who are, like, kinda geniuses.
Not the case for Bill Maher. This was 25, almost 30 years ago I first thought this, and I was like, "Wow, this guy, how did he get so successful?" So remember when he did tell the truth when he had that show- I'll never forget it ... yeah. So he told the truth about the hijackers on 9/11 weren't cowards.
He said you could say whatever you want about them- Yeah ... but they, r- they gave th- up their own life for a cause- Yeah ... and that's the opposite. And boy, oh, boy, did he pay a price for that, and he got his mind right immediately, and so they canceled him. And the story I've heard was that his management company also represented, The Sopranos, right?
And HBO wanted The Sopranos bad, and so they said, "Okay, we'll give you The Sopranos, but you have to give Bill Maher a show." And that's how he got his show on HBO. And just like George Costanza said on Seinfeld when they were pitching a TV show on that sitcom, that they asked George Costanza, "Why would anybody wanna watch this?"
And he goes, "'Cause it's on TV." And that's why people watch Bill Maher, 'cause he's on TV. and he gets big-name guests, right? Which I'm jealous of, no, no doubt about it. But he won't bring on Every time he brings on someone that's to his left, he gets schooled, and he gets embarrassed, like Glenn Greenwald, when Glenn Greenwald schooled him hard.
I've showed that video many times. Glenn's amazing. And, I can't believe he had Glenn on. Boy, that's dangerous ... that was back in 2011 or 2010, and he's never had him on again. Of course not. Yeah. So anytime he has someone to his left, people don't like to... people who consider themselves liberal, the last thing they wanna do is be challenged from their left, and so he'll never bring...
But Bill Maher, that's why he's... He loves to have, be f- friends with Ann Coulter and people like that but he's not gonna do that the other way. And so yeah, that's what we're left with, and that's how he got that job, and that's why... And nobody knows the ratings of HBO, right?
They don't release them. A subscription. But I'll say fully that I'm jealous of the influence he gets to have on the culture, and I'm jealous that he has that show. But it's waning, for sure. Nobody likes him. That's the weird thing, right?
I know. And my wife always says, "Can we at least have somebody who's fun to look at if he's gonna be wrong about everything?" I do think, though, the Gaza tragedy has forced people into sunlight, 'cause if you're defending that, you don't have to hate Israel or, have any kind of wacky views, but, like, how could you defend that?
How could a normal person defend that? You're not a normal person if you're defending that I think. T- Tucker, you don't think Israel has a right to defend itself? I do. I think everybody has a right to defend themself. I just like, that's genocide, that's murdering children. And I think a person who's likes Israel, loves Israel even, could say, "Yeah, I love Israel, but I'm not gonna defend the grotesque things that our country has done."
Why would I defend that? Exactly. I degrade myself, and I lie when I do that. So why couldn't you say, "Yeah, I really love Israel," but that's disgusting. What, they're starving people who didn't do anything wrong? Like, how could you defend that? And people don't know that there's a thing called the Greater Israel project, which I didn't know.
I didn't know most of this stuff until October 7th, right? Yeah. I, mean, I had covered when Israel would go in and mow the lawn, I would cover how horrible that was, but I didn't really understand the genesis of it, and I didn't understand what was going on. but after October 7th, I did.
Now I understand. I understand that, that I- Israel was founded by terrorists organizations. Yes. And there was a thing called The Nakba, and that they say it was invented f- because of the Holocaust, and that's not why, because Zionism had been around since the early 1800s. Yes.
There was always a pro- And they couldn't get, they couldn't get people to move to the Middle of... and nobody wanted to go. The Jews didn't wanna go there, so they had to make a deal with Hitler to get people to go. So it's... I know all that stuff now, and I know that it's you know why a two-state solution isn't the solution, and you have to have a one-state solution, which Bernie Sanders, a video just went around of him s- saying that he doesn't support a one-state solution because then Israel wouldn't be a Jewish state.
What? And he goes, "And I support Israel." He said, this is our, progressive lefty leader. I was shocked by that video. Was that real? That's real. Yeah. But he was also, two years earlier to that video, he was talking to Ezra Klein, and he said, "Yeah, bu- open borders are, that's a Koch brothers..."
So it's amazing the real vi- But he's always been a warmonger. He was, Bernie Sanders. He was for Kosovo and all that stuff. He was? Yeah It's sad. Bernie Sanders, I'm, I saw one Bernie Sanders speech in person and it was in Iowa when he was running in '16, and it was all about the oligarchy's bad and, at the time I had pretty conventional views, but I've never been for oligarchy.
Why would I be for that? It's the enemy of democracy. So I was like, And I know a lot of billionaires, and some are nice, but most are, like, gravely overrated and I ki- I kinda liked his speech. It was pure economic populism. Yeah. And then, so I thought, "Yeah, I get it." And by the way, the audience was not all I don't know, people playing hacky sack or hippies or whatever.
It was, like, normal people, and that really shocked- When he was on the anti-oligarch tour? Totally. Isn't it amazing that he didn't do any of those anti-oligarch tours when Joe Biden was president? I know. Amazing. All of a sudden oligarchy's a problem now? Kamala Harris and Joe Biden had more billionaire donors than Trump did, but somehow now it's a problem?
And what else they didn't show you was that there were pro-Palestinian protestors that they had kicked out of those rallies. Yeah So I missed so much of the detail because it's, that's not my world, and I didn't expect to feel that way about it.
I was a big Bernie Sanders fan. And just for the record, I'm pretty sure he did oppose the Iraq War, so I don't want people going, "He was a..." But he played into the propaganda for the Ukraine War and anyway, he won't call it a genocide anyway in Gaza. But I was a big Bernie guy, and I believed in him, right?
And which is a hard lesson. Don't believe in politicians. Amen. Oh I've learned that lesson, yes. Oh, boy, it's a tough one. And so I went to the Democratic Convention in Philadelphia, right? Liberty Bell. And it was great. You walked into the convention, and half the place was filled with Bernie supporters who wanted to overthrow the establishment, get money out of politics, overthrow the the corporatists inside the party, and give it back to the people.
It was amazing. And it was real, it was a ruckus. It was a real ruckus. I was there. And they turned the lights out on people. They used sound canon, all kinds of stuff, right? I was there. You were there? Yeah. Oh, it was invigorating. I'm like, "This is it. They, we got 'em. The next time we're gonna have a convention, they can't stop this.
What they did was they got Bernie Sanders. Bernie Sanders tucks his tail, he endorses Hillary Clinton, and he extracts not one concession for doing so. Nothing. He didn't ask for anything for him, for his supporters to vote for Hillary Clinton. And it w- 'cause Trump, right?
Which, the Democrats, they say they hate Trump, but they love him because they're, they're- Of course ... that's, their biggest fundraiser is Donald Trump. Donald Trump goes away, how are they gonna... So they have to make another... So not only did he do that, but he did nothing with his movement, right? So he had half the people who voted in the Democratic primary on his side, probably more, 'cause he got cheated.
So he did nothing. He didn't ask. Just like Barack Obama when he got elected, he disbanded his followers, right? His young people. Same thing with Bern- Bernie Sanders. And he didn't say, "All right, what we're gonna do is we're gonna shut it down. We're gonna have a protest here. We're gonna have a protest there.
We're gonna go occupy Wall Street. We're gonna occupy the DNC. We're gonna make sure they get corporate m..." He didn't ask them to do anything. Anything. And that's how you know. And that he was c- corrupted and co-opted, put it that way. And same thing happened in 2020. They all got together, cheated him i- in a different way this time, and he, again, he just endorsed Joe Biden without asking any c- nothing.
We didn't get a public option. We didn't get a raise in minimum wage. We didn't get nothing. And he didn't ask his followers to do anything. And he still won't ask his followers to do anything. Just like AOC, they won't say, "Get in the street." They won't say, "Go protest here. Go protest there."
They're playing along. They're good boys. What's AOC's game? What do you think she actually believes? She's a narcissist who's using politics for celebrity. She could easily be an actress in Hollywood. Yeah. 100%. Yeah, but she went this way. Does she have a shot at the nomination, do you think? Of course, I think.
She got up there and she lied at the DN. So let me get back to that. they didn't have a convention in 2020 because of COVID. 2016, they have this convention. It looks like the people are gonna take over the Democratic Party and return it back to the workers.
That's what I thought. I thought for s- there was no way they can stop this. This is a train that can't be stopped. So then they don't have a convention in 2020. Bernie capitulates, asks for nothing again, and then the next time they have a convention was 2024. I went to that one in Chicago, and you walk in, and I'm sure I told you, it was like I was at a Stepford Wives convention.
I would interview people, and I would say, "How do you feel about them not having a primary and just appointing Kamala Harris?" They're like, "Yeah, but we have a process." That's what they would say to a person. They would go, "No, she followed the process, and we have a process." I'm like, "Yeah, but that process doesn't involve voting."
Doesn't that bother you? Didn't bother anybody. And they, it was just one billionaire after another billionaire giving speeches at the Democratic convention. And to show you how failed Bernie Sanders and his movement is Our Revolution, which was the political organization he founded, is now e- and you know who they're endorsing in the governor's race in California?
Tom Steyer, a billionaire. Not really. Yes. A billionaire who made his money in private prisons. That's how bad it's gotten. so that's why I think Trump knows he kinda has to end this war, because if gas prices go to $10 a gallon, which they could easily go to- Oh, easily
That it will, people are like, "Hey, I can't afford to do any- I can't afford to go anywhere. I can't afford to even drive to work." So that would be, that the pain would be so great at that moment, m- maybe people would rise up in unison. And so we'll see. But that's what it takes. That's what it's gonna take.
So yeah, '24 convention, it was just like a step, and it was like, "Oh, so it's all, they got it. It's all over." And then, the AOC goes on stage and says, "And Kamala Harris is working tirelessly to end the the, to get a peace deal." They weren't doing anything Right? And she even said,
I wouldn't change anything that Joe Biden did." She said that on when she was on The View, "I wouldn't change anything." A woman who the first time she ran for president couldn't get a vote. She had to drop out. She's like the first one to drop out. I'll never forget it. And then she becomes the vice president, and then she becomes the nominee, and still nobody voted for her.
And because I criticize Democrats, because I was a Democrat my whole life until 2016 people immediately go if you're gonna criticize the Democrats, you must be a Republican. You must be a Trumper. I'm like no." Republicans never asked for my vote. Democrats did, and they, I got tricked by them.
I got tricked by Bernie Sanders. I got tricked by AOC, hard. I was the first show she came on, and she tweeted out, "I was on, on Jimmy Dore's show today," and all that stuff. And then as soon as she got elected, she never returned a phone call, never- no way. In fact, when I held her to her campaign promise with Force the Vote, which was trying to get them to extract something from Nancy Pelosi for their vote as her for speaker when there was only eight, so they, it was called Force the Vote, and it was a watershed moment because it proved that no matter how many progressives you elect inside the Democratic Party, they're not gonna do what you want them to do.
They're not gonna even do what they campaigned on. Very much like Trump, they're gonna go along with the establishment. They wouldn't oppose Nancy Pelosi. They wouldn't extract anything, and the thing that everybody agreed in the Democratic Party for decades, including Nancy Pelosi, that we need to have a vote for Medicare for All on the floor of the House.
Not that it would pass, but that it would expose the people who were fakers saying they were for it, and it would start a national conversation about it, and people would get informed about what it actually is, and it would help build a movement for it. And they wouldn't do that. They all ran on it. It was in the DSA handbook from 2019.
They opposed it. and she ran on it. She said, "We can't even get a vote for Medicare. about that. We can't even get a vote for Medicare for All on the House floor." So I'm like, boom, this is the thing to do. And so when I started the Force the Vote, and I got a big coalition of people behind it, and she said I was committing stochastic violence against her.
Oh, no way. Yeah. I've never really understood what that term means. It means that you're exposing them for being hypocrites, and so they have to try to discredit you some way. So you're a terrorist for- So I'm I'm inciting violence against them with words.
And because I said F- I said F AOC, and she used that as a, that's, 'cause that's not politics, that's stochastic violence. Okay. So what about Newsom? I think he's fantastic. Don't you think he's great? I think he cares about the people. I think it's great.
I think he's gonna he's gonna make the country look as pretty as his hair. That's what I think. Does he... it feels like he's the nominee We'll see. He's got a g- he's got the gift of the gab. Oh, he's unbelievable. He really knows how to, to ... it's like Obama. I would feel better after e- after Obama gave a speech.
Oh, for sure. I'm like, "I feel good, and I know he's full of it," and I would feel better even. It's weird. He has that. And he'll say literally anything. And he's fun to talk to. he's very charming, He does all those movements all the time, and he's got the hand thing But is he, in any sense different from Chuck Schumer or Pelosi or anybody like that on a substantive level?
No. They're all ... No, you don't get to be there if you are. You're not allowed to be the nominee if you are, if you don't go along and play along. You don't ... that's why in 2016, th- just like Brexit the d- democracy happened, and they were like whoa. We gotta make sure this doesn't hap-" When Trump got the nomination, they're like, "We can't let this happen again," right?
And same thing with Brexit, "We can't let..." And so it's all the crackdown on free speech and anti-democratic stuff, and they did Russiagate, which again, already told you, served dual purposes. And Trump got his mind and now Trump is one of them. And the people that he used to call out, the people th- he got elected for calling out neocons.
Oh, yeah. That was his thing. People are like, "Yes. Fi- finally there's a guy saying-" now he's the chief neocon. And people say, and I have to push back on this, a lot of people ... I still have friends in Hollywood that I go to dinner with, and they're good people 'cause they y- they have the right intentions, but they don't realize-
they're propagandized, and their whole thing is, "Oh, these idiots who voted for Tr- How did you not know he's the biggest con man in the world?" And I go he did have a first term, his first term where he didn't start any new wars." Yeah. So he was the first president in decades that didn't start a new war.
Everybody gets two wars, right? And Clinton, Bu- Bush. Barack Obama, he expanded the Afghanistan war- Oh, yeah ... and then he, and he got to do Syria. Plus, he did the drone wars, which killed 90% innocent people, and and he dropped more bombs than George Bush. People don't know that. Barack Obama dropped more bombs than George Bush.
And then Trump got in, and he didn't do it. They're like, "What?" And then he wanted to pull troops out of Syria, and we find out that the military lied to him and said they did, and they didn't, right? And so it was like, so he had a track record, and n- I did not
So people who say they saw it coming, that he was always a con man yeah, they're ... What politician isn't a con man? Yes. Agree. And but his particular presidential campaign was the biggest con I've seen since Nigerian princes learned how to email.
It was amazing. And people, you know- Even more clever than any Nigerian prince I've ever been emailed by. He got people way smarter than me convinced. And, and I didn't vote for Trump. I never voted for a Republican. I voted for Dave Chappelle. I wrote him in. And but people think that s- people who think people think I did campaign rallies for Donald Trump.
I actually did. yeah, I know. A number of them, Yeah. Then to wake up and substantively he's no different from Chuck Schumer on economics and foreign policy or- or Lindsey Graham. And you're like w- Yeah, but Chuck Schumer is like from, for the Republican brain as evil.
Yeah. And it's like where do Trump and Chuck Schumer disagree on the biggest issues? And they don't. And They both wanna keep you away from healthcare. Yep. They both wanna do foreign wars. They both s- support Israel unconditionally in what they're doing. They both want a crush a workers strike.
So that was why it was so important for Biden and the Democrats to crush that railroad strike, because that would've set the template and an example, just like the truckers in Canada, they'd had to stop that immediately, call them Nazis and white supremacists, and they had to debank them and shut down the...
They had to do that because they didn't want that catching on. And just like Michael Parenti said, they only care about what you think, and if you see that and you start to think different thoughts than the media wants you, they got a problem. And so that's why they had to crush that railroad workers strike immediately.
We need workers to realize that we ha- and you know what, there's this thing now where AOC wouldn't join with Marjorie Taylor Greene to oppose the genocide in Gaza, And that's not how you organize, right?
And I experienced that when we had the anti- right after the Ukraine War started, we had an anti-war rally in Washington, DC, and Code Pink wouldn't join it. Code Pink, their whole thing is to be against war, and they wouldn't join it because there were certain speakers on the lineup that they didn't feel agreed with their views on LGBTQ.
Oh, come on. And I'm like, so that revealed Co- And I love Medea Benjamin. She's- yeah, I do, too ... but that organization just pr- proved themselves to be a bunch of cosplaying women- It's totally fraudulent ... a fraud, because that's not how you org- Everybody knows that, right?
That's what gives it the power. Exactly. If it's just people that agree with you on everything, they can dismiss you and say, "Oh, those are those crazy lefties." But if you have these w- right-wingers who don't agree with you, that's what gives it power. And it's I talk up, I was, been in unions all my life, and what the here's how you don't organize a union.
You don't go to the shop floor and say, "Hey who's here is a gun nut? All right, you're out." who here doesn't agree with the trans agenda? All right, you're out. who doesn't agree with Medicare for All? Okay, you're out. Who doesn't agree on the war? Okay, you're out.
All right, now I'm gonna organize who's left." That's not how it works. And Christian Smalls proved that when he organized a bunch of right-wingers on Staten Island, bunch of Trump voters, to go against Jeff Bezos and the oligarchy. That's how you go, "Hey, we have a common interest."
And our common interest is against the man. Exactly. And so we can forget about those other issues and we can work on those later, but right now we have a bigger issue, and the bigger issue is to oppose this guy so we can get decent working conditions, we can get healthcare, we can get a decent wage.
That helps lift everybody's boat. And so that's what they don't want you to know. That's the thing that... That again, that's the only thing that scares people, and I meet them every- when I go out and tour the country. I was just in Raleigh, I was just in Atlanta, I was in Houston, I was in Dallas, I was in Albuquerque.
I go everywhere. And th- I... Disaffected Democrats and disaffected Republicans. And the people the disaffected MAGA people are, they're, there's, they feel so betrayed. And, that's that thing about, "Oh, they're such idiots. They're such con men." It's y- so if I, if I, like I tell them, he, at least he had a track record, and at least he would give lip service to the things that- Of course
they wouldn't even give lip service to it. Kamala Harris wouldn't even give you lip service. He was also being persecuted, literally persecuted by the establishment. So the idea that he would join with the establishment against his own voters seemed crazy. That could never happen. They're trying to send him to prison for life.
So you're like, that, those were his bona fides, his suffering at the hands of the establishment. You never thought he would join them. That's the cr- exactly right. On January 6th, which we now know- Exactly ... which we now know was a FBI psyop. Totally. And Clay Higgins exposed that, on your show even.
Yeah. And but even before that he was, questioning the FBI director, and "Hey, ho- how many, h- how many FBI assets did you have inside the Capitol before the riot started?" I can't tell you that." What? The answer should be none. You would think. Yeah. And so they did the same playbook in Brazil, by the way.
Oh, I know. So again, you don't have to be a Trump fan or a Bolsonaro fan to realize that if they can do it to those people, they'll do it to anybody, which is what I tried to tell Cornel West when he came on my show. And he wouldn't listen to it. Why? It's if you don't think if they can do this to Donald Trump that they're not gonna do it to you if you ever become a threat?
Or they'll do it to Bernie Sanders if he ever becomes a threat, or Jill Stein or anybody. Anybody becomes a threat, they're gonna... They used the exact same playbook on January 6th. They did it to Bolsonaro. They had a f- fake insurgency that overtook the Capitol, and they made it illegal for him to run for president again, the same thing they were trying to do to D- to Donald Trump, but they couldn't.
They, he, 'cause he didn't cross that line. He didn't tell people to go and... He di- so anyway, that, and people don't real- still till to this day, people don't realize that, that it was the FBI did that. The FBI's not your friend. The FBI i- it- it's amazing what the, what Trump did to the left.
Trump got the left to go along with the FBI. All of a sudden they're the good guys. At the CIA, they're the good guys. It's amazing. We know that the FBI infiltrates every lefty organization, and this idea that it's, we have to worry about right-wing terrorists inside the United States nine out of 10, if not 99 out of 100 of those terrorist happenings are invented by the FBI, just like the Whitmers Exactly
as she, they were gonna kidnap her. Turns out nine out of the 13 people- ... in the van were FBI. they do this over and over again. and same thing with big pharma. The people who went from protesting GMOs in our food flipped and went for, "Don't you question Big Pharma over the vaccine.
How dare you? Don't you even question vaccines. Don't you..." I'm like, "What?" So don't do your own research, which means don't read. And it's the most anti-intellectual thing, and people just accept it. That's what dictators do to you. That's what they... the church didn't want you to r- read the Bible.
You had to go through the priest. Of course, the priesthood. That's right. That's why they didn't allow slaves to learn how to read. It was illegal. and you got people who consider themselves liberal repeating that. "Don't do your own research. Don't look into things. Just trust the government.
Trust the government and trust Big Pharma." And now we know they lied about everything, and those people still don't know anything. They still think ivermectin's a horse paste. People tell me on social media all the time, "You ruined your reputation over ivermectin." I go, "Did it ever occur to you that you were lied to about ivermectin?
Did it ever occur to you that it's won the Nobel Prize for human medicine, that it's on the WHO list of essential medicines?" "It's been prescribed a billion times for humans, saved billions of lives. Did it ever occur to you that before COVID they were looking at it to cure cancer, and now there's credible study after credible study that it does cure cancer?
The last one, that 80% of the people who took ivermectin for their cancer saw either a complete remission, no growth in their tumor or or rece- r- recession," or I don't know what that, if that's a term. 80%. So the, you've been lied to about ivermectin. And people... now Chris Cuomo will admit that he was...
Yeah, Chris, that's why you're supposed to be the journalist, and you're not supposed to repeat what they tell you. Exactly. You're supposed to actually look into it, which would take five seconds for you to look it up on Google, what is ivermectin? But of course he didn't do that.
him and Don Lemon would just scoff at Joe. think about this. They had to color Joe Rogan's skin green. CNN did that when he got COVID and he got better right away, and he did a video. They colored his skin green. You know that, right? Oh, of course. Yeah. So that's what a threat, that's a threat to the establishment.
why would they do that? Why would they lie about ivermectin and say it's horse paste? They did that because it could treat COVID, and then they couldn't get their emergency use authorization for the vaccine. Same thing with hydroxychloroquine.
They wouldn't even let doctors prescribe steroids at the beginning of COVID. I know that 'cause my doctor told me that. And she did it anyway. she gave people and they came to her and they go, "Hey, why are you giving ster?" She said, " 'Cause my patients are living, and your patients are dying."
And so I've been lucky to have good doctors. Yeah, and you saw it early or- I got vaccine injured. Yeah. And that's what... So I wouldn't, I didn't know. I didn't know that they would lie about a virus. I didn't know that they would lie about... I th- I bought all the stuff about vaccines and everybody...
I didn't know that there was never actually a placebo test for any of the vaccines. I never questioned that they give 72 shots to a baby from the time it's a baby till the time it's 18 to, and for vaccines. I never questioned, why did they give the hepatitis B vaccine the first shot they give to a baby?
You only can catch hepatitis from intravenous drug use or unprotected sex. Are there a lot of whore babies running around hospitals? Is that what's happening? And people don't ever think about that. I was at a Hollywood party and I was talking to a doctor, and this is before the election, and he's I'm really worried about RFK's gonna take away our vaccines."
And I said to him, "Do you know how many vaccines that you have to take now on the schedule?" And he goes, "What?" I go, "72." And his jaw hit the floor. And I go, "You know the first one?" And just like I said, it was hepatitis B. And he's "What? Why would they do that?" I go, "Why do you think they do that? For money.
What do you think? 'Cause they can't get people to take it, so they just put it on the vaccine schedule." That's how it got on there. Of course. Read the Midwestern Doctors Blog. It'll explains everything. The Midwestern Doctors Blog, I just wanna plug that anyone who hasn't read that on Substack.
Midwestern Doctor... Yeah, he's a, I don't think he uses his name. No. He's a kind of a genius and a very decent person. Yeah. Does his own research. He reads. He reads studies. So speaking of re- I just, I have to ask you about this 'cause it's not related to anything we've been talking about, but we were talking at breakfast about Carl Jung- The famous psychoanalyst who is often described as the protege of Sigmund Freud, but a little more- No
They're completely different. He broke with Freud big time. In fact, Freud disowned him. Yes, and hated him- Yeah ... and was jealous of him. Who was he? Why do you read him? So Carl Jung, by the way, it's very interesting how it connects to COVID, because he realized that your psyche h- has a need for the sacred- Yes
and the religion. And he said if you don't have that, if you don't have a connection to that, that you will project it outward, and that's exactly what happened. Liberals, the people I know in Hollywood, they're not spiritual, religious. Yeah. And so they turn science into a religion.
Yes. And they turn Fauci into their deity. And so you can't question it. You can't question religion, you're a heretic, so you can't question science. And I saw it happen right in front of my face. And so Carl Jung is, he was way ahead of his time.
And we share the same birthday, which he would say is a synchronicity. But I had a quote from him on my fridge for years, and I never understood it- But it stayed on your fridge? Yeah, because I guess I had a feeling there was something to it, and he said, "Enlightenment doesn't come from imagining forms of light.
It comes from making the darkness conscious. And until you make the darkness conscious, it will control your life, and you'll call it fate." And so it's all about all the parts of ourselves that are split off and we put into our unconscious or our shadow self, and then we project it. So the things we hate the most and the things we love the most are really a religious experience, and religious meaning rejoining.
So we project a part of ourselves that's in our unconscious onto another person, and that's why you see the people who were the most animated in their hatred for Trump had Trump in their shadow, right? That's the part of them that they- Yes ... those kind of people, right?
So they have that, and so they project it because that's the part of themselves they hate the most, right? And so same thing when you love something. Like when a male falls in love, that, love at first sight, you're projecting a thing called your anima. That's your female side that's in your unconscious, and you project it onto another person, and you feel that, like you're being energized from the inside because you are.
And then you get married, and then of course, the projections fall off, and you're like, "Who's this person I married?" That's what happens to a lot of people, right? And that's what happens in midlife, right? A lot of guys in midlife, they have an anima projection, and they feel like, "I can't live without this person," because it's a connection to their own soul.
Your anima represents your soul. And so it's, and you're like how could I, disavow my own this relationship, because it feels like if I do, I'll die?" And it's their first connection to their own self, a religious, a rejoining of their conscious mind with their unconscious mind.
And so Carl Jung knew we had a soul, knew there's a God which, Freud was totally against all that. Freud was afraid that people would not take them seriously and dismiss them as mystics and whatever, and Jung wasn't. Jung had mystical experiences. He had direct experiences of the divine, and he saw the people at the clergy when he was a kid that didn't.
He saw that they didn't. He knew he had a direct ex- If you read Memories, Dreams, Reflections, His autobiography. He talks about how he, the clergy, they were just, they were all empty, especially his father, and he would when he would question it, his father was like, he didn't have answers, and he didn't want him to talk about it.
And he could see how empty they were, that there was just dogma that didn't, they didn't have direct experience of the divine. Yes. And he did. And I've had that since I started reading Jung, and so I've been going inward, right? So Jung says, "He who looks outward dreams. He who goes inward awakens."
And so I have a direct connection to the divine. I've had numinous experiences and, What's a numinous experience? A numinous it's like a sacred, A sacred spiritual happening that kind of happens to you against your own will And it takes you over, right? And that's, I've, I experienced that, like, when I quit smoking pot, people are like, "Why'd you quit smoking pot?"
I'm like, "I don't know. I don't know." It's, I felt like there was some outside force telling me to do it, and it was hard. So people who say that marijuana isn't addictive, it is. I was at least six months before I could sleep, and it was horrible. I was in bad shape, and I just knew I had to quit. How did you know?
I just, like I said, I felt like there was something guiding me to do this, and so I did. And your dreams are your psyche, or as Jung would call it, the Self with a capital S, meaning the divine talking to you and speaking to you in symbols.
So you have a personal unconscious, right? The things that you personally split off from your own personality and put in your unconscious and your shadow, and then you have a collective unconscious, which Joseph Campbell also talked about. And he was my first entrée into this was Joseph Campbell, and he talked about how, different societies who had no way of connecting with each other used the same symbolism to explain life and the spiritual.
Literally, in a way that's Spooky. It's shocking. And Jung figured that out, that we have a collective unconscious, meaning there's only one consciousness, right? So There's just the one consciousness, and we're a part of it, and the fact that you think you're separate from it is a mistake.
And so we're part of it, and as we evolve our consciousness we evolve the world's consciousness, right? Because we all share a collective unconscious. And one of the ways he figured it out was that he would have dreams, and there would be symbols in his dreams, and he didn't know what they meant, but he could tell that they were meaningful.
And then he was reading about the alchemists. Now, everybody thought the alchemists were trying to turn lead into gold, but what they were really trying to do was turn psychological lead into gold, and they had to do it, hide it from the church. And so they had figured out what some of these symbols meant, and he saw them write about the symbols that he was seeing in his own dreams, and he was like, "Oh my God, I'd never read this before.
So that's when he started to figure out that we all share a consciousness. Yes. That there is one consciousness. There's the one. We get glimpses of that, I think, occasionally. People in the course of daily life get just a flash that somehow there's a connection between all people's- We, there is only...
it's it's like we're hairs on the human head thinking we're separate, right? They're all, you're all part of the same head. You're all part of the same body. It's all, we're all part of the same consciousness. There's only one. And and we've, split ourselves off from it. We've split that into our unconscious.
And so if you go into your unconscious, and one of the great ways is to go into your dreams and see what they're saying to you, and treat it... And, like Rumi said what you seek seeks you. And so it the more attention you pay to your unconscious the more it will rise up to meet you.
And so I've had numinous experiences. I've experienced the divine. I've experienced my encounters with archetypal figures in my dreams that have guided me, How did quitting smoking pot after so many years affect your dreams? They became way more vivid and more often. Really? Oh, yeah.
Yeah. And so I'm a, I'm, I... So I speak with a Jungian psycho ana- analyst once a week, and he used to be the head of the Jung Center in Los Angeles. And he's remarked to me, often that, "You're one of the most prolific dreamers that I've ever encountered." And often when I'm telling him about dreams, he'll just go, "Oh my God."
And so it's been a real awakening, and I realize that I'm not separate from the divine. I realize that I'm not this body that I have an eternal soul, and even though this body dies, that I don't die. That death is the, not the opposite of life. Death is the opposite of birth.
Life has no opposite. It's eternal. And so once you realize that, it changes a lot of things. Like what? it changes how I look at everything. I look at the oneness of everything. I look at this isn't permanent. This body is not permanent, that I have an everlasting soul that I have to pay attention to- Yes
that I have to get in touch with, and it fills my life with real meaning. And part of it too is- This is your most radical position of all the radical things you've said since we've sat down. This is the most counterculture thing you could say. People think they need a priest or they need a preacher or a church, which is all good.
The community is good. But you don't need them because you already have a connection to the divine within you, and that's where you need to go. And once you realize that, then you don't need them. That's which is why they don't tell you about that. And Jesus said that... where did he say the kingdom of heaven is, Tucker?
The kingdom of heaven is in you. Yes. You are the light of the world, and what I do, you will do and greater. And people, they don't need you to know that, which is why they got rid of the parts of the Bible that talk about that kind of thing. And so it's, I was a Sam Harris atheist for a while.
I was brought up Catholic, went to Catholic school for 12 years. It never spoke to me, and the people who seemed to be most Catholic seemed not to really embody it, and I was an atheist, I thought. I thought this was it. This is it, and when you're dead. And now I realize, no, this is- What changed your mind?
That's a big change. I had this big dream. So I had this dream I was kneeling down in front of my house in front of the bushes. I had a fish hook on a string, and I was dragging it through the dirt in front of my bushes. And I'm, in my dream, I'm thinking, "What am I doing?
And then I saw underneath the dirt, I saw it start moving like there was an animal underneath there, and I was like, "What the heck?" And all of a sudden, there, this black cat emerged, and it was all grimy, and it had an oil-like substance on it. And I'm like, "How could it be even breathing?
How could it be under there for so long and not be dead?" And then it got up and walked around. I'm like it's okay. It's alive and willing." And so w- what that... So I knew that meant something. I didn't know what. I started reading Jung. I sought out Rebecca Eigen, who helped me understand Jung.
I got a Jungian analysis. And so that was, what you seek is seeking you. That was the divine, the unconscious telling me, "You're ready. You're ready to go into your darkness. You're ready to go into your shadow. You're ready to go into your unconscious. You don't know what you're gonna find there, and it's probably gonna be scary, and you don't wanna find it, but it's there, and it's ready for you to now take the next step in your conscious evolution."
And so here I am, and I'm doing it. What kind of reaction did you get from your friends?
They don't know, really, they don't really say, I don't really have these kind of conversations very often. I have them on my podcast with people. Like there's I have a book club where we read Carl Jung, and we go through it and we talk about it, and it's really it's my favorite thing to do in the world.
If I could just do that, I would just do that. You would just read Carl Jung and talk about it? Just read Carl Jung and talk about it, 'cause that's what it's really all about. Yeah. That's so different from the world you've lived in, though. Yeah, 100%. Yeah. I, again, I was an atheist. I didn't know. I didn't know that...
they asked Carl Jung, "Is there a God? Do you believe in God?" He said, "I don't believe. I know." 'Cause he experienced God. He went, from 1913 to 1917, He could somehow consciously access his unconscious.
He could meet the archetypal figures in your unconscious, your anima. If you're a male, your soul, he would say is your anima, which is your female, your feeling function. It's real, and it's autonomous, and it's in your unconscious. And if you're a female, it's your anima, which is the male counterpart.
And so he encountered these figures in his... And I've encountered some of them. So I had one of those experience. It was scary. It's scary to go into your shadow and the things you hate about yourself that you realize you've been projecting onto other people. Yes. And so the idea is- that's that's so familiar to anyone who's self-aware.
You do, we all do that. Yeah. So the idea is you make it conscious this darkness, this part of you that you hate, you make it conscious and you integrate. You don't judge it because it's also positive in a sense. Y- you, and you integrate it into your conscious mind, so you don't have to project it on anybody anymore, and your, y- your consciousness raised.
So that goal isn't to become a better person. The goal is to become a more whole person and not split off from who you are. And so that's to me, that's the goal, to be to make the unconscious conscious, integrate it. And even though you might think it's a bad part of yourself I've been dealing with the unrestrained masculine, right?
Which causes fights and me to be extra aggressive when I don't- need to be. And but you need that part. You need to be able to set boundaries. You need to be able to be angry when you need it. But you need to be aware that where it's coming from, so it doesn't come out sideways and wreck your life.
And even if you think it's negative, it's good in a sense. Look, I always give the example of you have shit in your unconscious. Oh, that stuff is smelly and dirty. I don't wanna know that. It's part of me. But what helps a rose grow? You need manure.
Yes. And so out of manure comes a beautiful rose. So you just have to know how to use it, right? Just like electricity. If, I don't know, I'm not an electrician, so if I tried to wire your house, it'd burn down. Yes. But if somebody knows how to do it, it'll light up the whole house and the whole world, right?
So you gotta know how to use it. And so it's that power. So that darkness comes creativity, and it also can help you blossom. And so the idea again is to become whole. and most people don't do... And it's hard work because you don't want to see, and, a lot of guilt comes with it, right?
Because you find out that in your past you've done things that hurt your own soul, and you feel guilty about it. And I've had that, right? Where I've, I realized through my dreams that I've prioritized career or material possessions over my own soul. And the guilt that I felt in my dreams, and Jung talks about this, that part of becoming conscious is being able to handle guilt.
And I just, I was like, "Oh my God." And it's, people don't want to do this work because it's painful, right? And they don't teach this in... they teach Freud 'cause it's easier. And- They teach materialism ... they don't, yeah, they don't teach Jung. Carl Jung was about, your soul and your religious experience, your numinous experience, the encounter with the divine.
And if you don't have that, you're gonna project it, just like people did during COVID. It does seem, I'm not alleging a conspiracy, but there is a concerted, organized effort to eliminate any consideration of the transcendent, the eternal, the divine from people's consciousness. It's never mentioned.
It's considered crackpot even to talk about that, the idea that there's a world that we can't see that's meaningful, that we're connected in any way other than physically. I don't think there's ever been a society as determined to deny the eternal as ours is. There's this guy his name is Bill Donahue, and he's dead now, but he talked about that everybody says they believe in, spirits and the Lord and the Holy Spirit and angels.
And then when they show up, you're like, "Oh, it's crazy." Exactly. And I was like, "Yeah, that's exactly what they do." But just don't forget the Kingdom of Heaven is inside you. It's not outside you. It's inside you. You are the light of the world. When did this come to you? It was right before COVID. right when COVID started, I had that big dream, and then I started to go into my unconscious.
Do you notice people around you starting to ask questions, have thoughts like this? It does feel like more- Yeah ... people are thinking about this. I have noticed unfortunate- yes, but they have questions, but they seek the answers in the wrong places, and they go into organized religion.
And I think I'll... again, I'm not here to put down religion. I think people need community. But, too often it's a- it's about control- Yes ... and that you need to get to God, you need to come through me, which is, you don't. Y- you don't need, you don't need anybody or anything.
You have a connection to the divine, and it's inside. It's not external. Everyone feels that on some level. Okay, so I wanna end by asking- Oh, I'm not either. Okay? Oh my gosh. I just know what I've experienced. It's just weird speaking to the collective consciousness that a lot of people I know, like more than 10, started having thoughts like this right around or just before COVID.
Almost like people were being prepared for what was coming and gaining a new vocabulary with which to explain it and understand it. People who had never thought about anything like this at all, who were totally wrapped up in material concerns, like the ones you mentioned, accumulating wealth, succeeding at work, just whatever, what we're trained to do.
A lot of people I know all of a sudden are like praying? Maybe that's a real thing. Maybe I should listen to voices whose sources I can't see." Stuff like that. Yeah. Again, y- Carl Jung realized at a young age that he had thoughts that he didn't think himself- Yes ... that got placed in his head by God, and he had a direct experience with God.
And so I've had those experiences. not only do I experience God in my dreams but I realize that everything is a reflection of God. Everything is God. In my conscious life and my unconscious life, God is everywhere, everything. The kingdom of heaven is laid upon earth, but the eyes of men don't see it.
It's now, now is the time to, to meet God, to know the divine, and to know your, your true identity. It's scary, to do that. I had this dream, I had several dreams that completely changed my life. One of them w-was at the beginning, I was scared, of this journey.
I was in the jungle, and there was a clearing in the jungle, and I was sitting there, and out from the jungle came this like-- it was like half human, half ape, but the head was like a lion. And it came over to me, and it put his hand out, and I was like, "Oh, it's gonna crush me." I was afraid it's gonna crush me.
But it took my hand very gently and walked me into the jungle. And, Couple weeks later, I'm reading a book, and there was that symbol, the lion face, And it's a Mithraic, that's called a Mithraic god. And so that's part of the collective unconscious.
That's like this archetype that we all share in our collective unconscious. We're one consciousness that we all share. And I'm like, "Oh my God." And so I interpreted that to mean that it's okay, it's gonna be safe to go into the jungle of your unconscious, and I'll be there with you to help you and guide you.
And that was just one thing. I have many things like that. That's one of them, and when I saw that picture, I'm like, "Oh my God, that was the thing in my dream." And so that's one of those things. I had no knowledge of that. I'd never seen a picture of that before. And but there it was in my dream in a meaningful way.
Wow, that's wild. It was wild. I know people think you're crazy when you talk about this stuff. No, it, yeah, on one level for sure it's forbidden. It's way more forbidden than criticizing Israel. This is the actual third rail, I think, is to admit that you've had experiences with the divine or with a realm that's not physical or, people are like, "Come on now."
Yeah. But everyone knows it's true. Yep. Every- And the, a- again, I go back to everybody, believes in the Holy Spirit, everybody believe. But then when it shows up holy, what are you, nuts? Yeah. What are you, do you think you talk to spirits? And and stuff like that, yeah. Yeah. Other countries are different.
So let me just ask you about this country or the West more bro- the liberal democracies that resemble ours. Every one of them is coming apart. Every one of them has reached the end of a life cycle. They're not serving their people at all. All of this is, this whole project is being- they've become the fascists that they were supposed to be.
They're canceling elections when they don't turn out the way they want. They're pro- they're doing austerity now in Europe and Ger- and they're r- ratcheting up for a war with Russia. Jeffrey Sachs just wrote an open letter to the to Germany "Hey, stop this.
Oh, I know. I know. It, it- And they'll ignore him because- And of course they will ... yeah. What a good man he is, but- Yeah ... yeah, liberal democracy has turned out to be neither liberal nor democratic. They're illiberal. They're illiberal and undemocratic. Just like they proved during COVID. Yes, exactly.
They immediately censorship, shut up, don't ask questions- Yeah ... don't talk against the establishment, and take an experimental medical treatment against your own will or you can't go to work, you can't travel, you can't go to school That's that's Nazi stuff Oh, of course. And again, if it works, you take it.
Why do you need me to take it- ... so the medicine works on you? That never made any sense. It will never make any sense. 'Cause actually it's not your body or your choice. You notice that around COVID, they stopped saying, "I'm pro-choice," and they literally started saying, "I'm pro-abortion."
I know. That's when I was like, "I'm out. Whatever this is too dark for me." But okay, so all of this, I think, thanks in part to your tireless efforts for the past six years, is now pretty obvious to most people who are paying attention, that this system is fake, it's not serving its intended beneficiaries, and it's kinda over.
So then the question becomes what next and how do we get there? And the two potential paths are violent revolution, which I'm opposed to, or somehow using this broken system to improve or replace the broken system. And what w- Larry Fink is afraid of a violent- Oh ... revolution. They're all afraid of it.
He said that they're gonna start drone bombing these data centers. That he's afraid of that. Oh, I know. Yeah. Yeah, 'cause they know how hated they are. and Jeff Bezos did this softball interview with CNBC last week or two weeks ago, and he talked about how, "If I pay more taxes, it's not gonna help the nurse in Queens," and all that stuff, and he goes, "And if I do my job it's gonna help people more than my philanthropy." Oh, really? If you do your job right? You know what the turnover rate in a Amazon fulfillment center is? 100 to 150%. Yeah. Every year. So that means every eight months, 100% new workers. And so why do one third of your workers the richest guy in the world are on government assistance?
Why am I subsidizing your employees? Exactly right. Yeah ... this is the country we've devolved into when you have a government by the oligarchs for the oligarchs, and the workers get screwed. So that's where we're in, The only way to do this is if people realize that they have a common humanity with their neighbor. Don't fall for it that your neighbor is the white supremacist, Nazi racist that you have to oppose and that they're the enemy. No, they're again, suffering under the same conditions you're suffering under.
Join with them, oppose those people, the WEF globalists who actually run everything. It's funny, people talk about communism, you don't get choice. People think back to but capitalism has led us to the same thing. There's three companies that own everything. Yeah, that's true. Vanguard, State Street, and BlackRock.
That's the real bo- so Trump has a boss. They all, and I try to tell people- Exactly ... that, the Congress is, that they're not do- when they get they're not doing the bidding. When they have a session of Congress, people go, "Oh, do you think they have secret meetings where they plan this stuff?"
Yes, actually, they do. It's called Davos. It's called the Bilderbergs. We, now we know that's real, that people used to think that was crazy. Big time. But I go, it, I used to say it's, no, it's just a session of Congress." You think when they get together they're doing the bidding of students or workers or the elderly?
They're in there doing the bidding of the oligarchs, the- For sure ... the donor class, the people who actually ru- their bosses, and it ain't you. That's just a fact. That's a fact. That's no longer, I don't think there's a single word you just uttered that could be quibbled with even. It's just, it's all proven now.
But because it is proven, that means it can't continue under the current terms. So I don't think given everything you've said, you want violence. But is it inevitable? Like, how do we get out of this? John F. Kennedy said, "Those who make peaceful revolution impossible make violent revolution inevitable," right?
That's certainly true. And we have more guns in this country than people. Yeah. So in a sense, that's good because the government's supposed to fear the people, not the other way around. When you- Exactly ... when you fear your government, that's tyranny, and right now I think people do fear their government.
Yes, I do. Again, I'm not calling for a violent revolution, but I, I think we, if workers come together, you have to shut down the machine. And if you can shut down the machine in a meaningful way, if all the truckers stop trucking, if all the railroad workers stop going to work, the port workers, that's how you gain control of your...
But you see they gave the port workers, a nice contract right before Trump got into office, so they see it coming, right? And so they're, we don't want them to get upset. We don't want them to..." Or if all the teachers didn't go to work, if all the grocery store workers didn't go to work.
That's the only way. if anybody else has another idea, let me know. I'll be all for it. But to me, that's the way that history proves that you can have peaceful revolution. I would just correct you on the no teachers. We actually did have a time for over a year when the teachers didn't go to work,
and the people in charge really enjoyed it. Oh, you're right. Because ignorant kids mean more- That's right ... pliable kids. but critical, like true critical functions, if they stop working maybe will force people to pay attention, yeah, remember who the essential workers are? It's not middle management.
No. Is it the consultant class? No, it is not. Oh, it's not? It's not the professional managerial class. It's not? It's what about the private equity people? They're essential. No. They are not essential. You couldn't... I don't even know if you could have a tax protest now because the government isn't funded through taxes.
They just print the money. Exactly. Did you see that video where they asked I forget the guy's name, but it was Joe Biden's economic advisor, and someone said, "Hey, if we print our own money, why do we borrow it?" And he was like, for five minutes, he's that's a good... we print money.
We definitely print money. We definitely borrow money. We..." And he goes, "I don't know. That's a good question." He couldn't answer the question. You ever seen that video? No. Yes. But I've actually wondered myself. I wonder it too. They could just create money, quantitative easing. They just in- invent it. Of course, they don't give that money to you.
No, they give it to the banks. And so what people don't realize, people fear socialism because they fear it's gonna take money from the haves and give it to the have-nots. But what our s- our version of capitalism has done, this oligarchy, it's an upward transfer of wealth. That's what happened during COVID.
How many billionaires got invented? it's continuing. It's an upward transfer of wealth from the working class to the oligarchs. That's what we're in right now, with three companies that run everything. So again, I don't see that as overstatement. I think that's just true what you said.
So I don't know. I'm very concerned because I do think the people who are benefiting are so rig- The main thing I notice, how rigid they are. They can't handle any disagreement whatsoever. No. Teddy Roosevelt rolls in, and he's a product of the ruling class. He is the ruling class.
He becomes president by default. The president's assassinated, 1901, and he becomes president. He's "Look, this system will collapse unless we give a little bit And he was the only president in American history able to make that case, and he kinda did adjust it enough that it continued another 125 years.
Yeah. But I don't see the current rulers as capable of that kind of subtlety or sacrifice or nuance or even just intelligence. They're too stupid to understand. They're screwing themselves by being this rigid. That's m- my view. The... It's the also FDR saw that there was a revolution of the workers- Yes
and he was afraid. That he told his ruling class, "Hey, this is coming here- Big time ... if you don't give people some of your money. If you don't give them some of their money, they're gonna take all of your money." Yes. And so he gave people jobs. He created the jobs program and created Social Security and- The CCC
yes, and things like that. And but then they also at the same time went on a tear to get rid of the communists, right? Yeah. And s- because they were a very force for... So y- not that anybody's for communism, but you need that kinda counterbalance. And the economic populace above all. That's right.
So Huey Long somehow gets assassinated- ... before the 1936 presidential campaign by his own bodyguards. Kinda weird. but either one, either Roosevelt, they're different, but they had the same impulse, which is this system is out of whack, and it's gonna get taken down by force unless we adjust it a little bit.
And I don't see Larry Fink's capable of doing that. Do you? Quite the opposite, right? It's more, capitalism always at the end stage devolves into fascism, which is where we are. The surveillance state, these data centers, flock cameras. They built $80 billion for ICE to get the illegal immigrants.
By the way, they're not. I know. And so why do they- I know ... so what is that police force for? It's for you. Of course. Of course. And so when you wake up, and so now they're gonna make you a terrorist. You're gonna, you're gonna be an technological terrorist- Exactly ... just like they had eco-terrorists, people who f- And so they're, you're gonna be the terrorist, and those prisons are for you 'cause they're not gonna...
They want the illegal immigrants here because they want cheap labor. I know. That's always a joke. They're not getting rid of them. That's all... All that stuff where they're shooting people, that's all for show, right? That's not... That- Exactly ... you are the target, and that's what those prisons are for. And, we got their zoom private gestapo called ICE, and what could go wrong?
You take 50,000 TGI Fridays bouncers and give them guns, masks- ... and unmarked cars and turn them loose. Because the truth is that illegal immigrants, the guys hiring at a day rate out of, Home Depot parking lot, there's a lot of drunk driving but in general not that unruly a group.
Correct. Those are people looking to work. You know who's unruly is you. You're unruly. No, I'm serious. Yeah. You're born here. You f- you have a birthright. You feel totally entitled to demand that your government serve your interest 'cause you own the government. You're a huge problem. And you and people like you that's why they tapped into my phone using Pegasus Actually?
Yeah, that actually happened. So when I spoke at the UN Security Council, I did it via Zoom. I was in Italy at the time, and it was on the anniversary of the Nord Stream pipeline bombing. And so they asked me to speak Russia. And so I accepted, and I gave a speech, and I gave it to them. "You're all dupes and idiots if you think that this was done by Russia, and the fact that, you know- Russia
Germany would bend their knee and let them to wreck their own economy- Exactly ... now they're paying two and three times- Exactly ... higher for ener- and to go along with this, and you're all morons." And I basically used that language. And so on the plane ride home, on my... I had my laptop.
I don't anymore. And it said "MacBook, the, now controls your iCloud account." And I was like, "What? What is this? I don't even know what the heck..." So I get off, I call my IT guy, who's former in military intelligence, right? And his whole job is to try to crack into companies' computer system to find vulnerabilities.
So I call him and I tell him, and I go, "Hey, did this happen?" And he goes, "Oh my God, Jimmy, even I couldn't do that." And so I give him my computer, I give him my phone, and he said, "That was Pegasus." And I go who did this?" He goes, "It wasn't a person." This was a state actor.
And it happened immediately after I testified at the UN Security Council. And so that's why I have two phones now, right? By the way, if I ever become a threat, they got me. They either have all my compromising material in my iCloud- on my computer, on my phone, or they planted something. So if... you'll know if I'm arrested or if some big scandal comes out it's because I now have become an actual threat. I did an interview with Glenn Greenwald last summer here, and he was tough on the foreign policy questions and tough on Netanyahu.
Literally the next day- that's exactly right ... this tape comes out of, super embarrassing Glenn Greenwald sex tape, which I didn't watch, but and I just wanna say how much I love Glenn. By the way, the first person- And immediately- ... to defend him, the first person to defend him was Charlie Kirk Which is just incredible.
Charlie Kirk, the new Seth Rich. You're not allowed to ask questions about that Charlie Kirk is evangelical, pretty darn anti-gay, and then Glenn Greenwald comes out with a gay sex tape, and Charlie Kirk is the first guy to be like, "Glenn Greenwald's a good man." Man, I thought that was... Ah, makes me emotional thinking about it.
Charlie had started to have an awakening. He had a lot younger than I had it. And so that's why they had to kill him. when I say they, multiple. There was a conspiracy to kill him. It wasn't some guy, Tyler Robinson with his grandpa's rifle, which was never fired, which is why they couldn't find that rifle.
you have to swallow so much stuff to believe the story that the establishment is pushing for Charlie Kirk's assassination. You have to think that this first of all, a .30-06 bullet didn't take his head clean off or leave a drive-through window in the back of his neck. Somehow he had a miracle.
C- he could... It's, his miracle bullet. Remember that? Hey can you give me an explanation of why his head didn't blow off without a miracle? Do you have an actual explanation? No. But it goes back to, so this guy gets to the campus. he, he drives three... All of a sudden, he wakes up one day and goes, "You know what?
I'm gonna commit the biggest public assassination in the last 60 years." He drives to the campus. He finds the open stairwell. It's open. Nobody's there. he brings the gun up, but it's too big, so he has to take it apart and put it in his backpack. Still too big for his backpack, so he has to put it down his pant legs But then if he did, he couldn't go up the steps, 'cause he couldn't bend his knees.
So I don't know how he got it up there. Nobody will tell me. So he gets up there, and then he changes his clothes. He's up on top of that roof for 10 minutes. That's according to the governor. He was up there for eight to 10 minutes. Nobody sees him? The cops don't see him? The million-dollar security team doesn't see him?
Nobody sees him, except people in the crowd did see him, and they don't tell you that. Just like in Butler, Pennsylvania, people in the crowd saw him. Guess who didn't see him? The cops, the local cops, the state cops, the Secret Service. People see it. And then he li- so he puts the gun together. He lines up the shot, puts a scope on it.
if that scope was on, then he couldn't fire that gun because of the safe. he lines it up, takes the shot, hits it perfect, perfectly. Takes the gun apart, leaves the screwdriver there, puts it under a towel, Spider-Mans his way off the top of a building, runs across campus with the gun apparently under a towel.
Nobody sees this. He runs into the woods, puts the gun back together again without the screwdriver. He's a regular MacGyver, this guy. And then he hides the gun in the backyard of a house owned by Palantir. And if you think anything else besides that- ... you're a crazy Jew-hating conspiracy nut
Do you know that the m- they had, they were, they had the gun-sniffing dogs, right? And which they could sniff a gun that was fired a week earlier in the rain, right? They were looking all over. They didn't find it. The FBI shows up. A minute later, "We got the gun."
Did you know that? No. Yeah, you could... baron Coleman's been doing great work on this, and he got the police transmitter the, all that stuff. He got that. That's available. And so it wasn't until the FBI showed up, "Oh we got it." The local police couldn't find the gun. And the dog sniffers couldn't find it.
They can find it, and they couldn't. But then the FBI showed up, and they found it in the exact place. And now they won't even release that to the defense team. They're still holding onto it. And then, of course the... then he decides to text his lover. Instead of waiting for him to get home, it's only a three-hour drive, he's "You know what?"
He said, I wanted to take this secret to my grave." First of all, he talks like he's reading a j- he's writing a Jane Austen novel. "My love." And then he says "I wanted to take this secret to my grave, but fuck it. I'm just gonna leave it here on a text message to you so the FBI can find it."
And so what was supposed to happen was he was supposed to go out in a blaze of glory. 'Cause the original text messages that they said he wrote said, "I don't wanna go to prison. I'm not gonna go out like... I don't wanna be dragged through the courts. I'm gonna go..." So
He was supposed to get killed. He didn't. He went and turned himself in, which screwed up their plan. And so they had to rewrite those text messages. Did you know that there's text messages 1 and text messages 2.0? So they had to rewrite this. Yeah that's all. And they said that he confessed on Discord or on Reddit.
And of course, now we know for a fact that he was already in custody when they said that he did that. So what guy shows up, turns himself in, pleads the fifth, "I'm not talking to the cops until my lawyer gets here," but then he goes on the internet and gives a confession? Okay, so this is obviously a setup, and you're not allowed to ask questions about it.
And if you are, you're at- you are attacking a grieving widow. And that's, Again, when did Jackie O ever say, "Quit looking in. Stop. Quit looking into who killed my husband"? Never. That's not what happens. And that's not how you grieve, by the way.
And my friends were like, "Jimmy, what's with your mom?" I'm like, "She's grieving." I'll just leave that there. And Dan Bongino who famously said, "Don't ever stop talking about the Epstein files," he gets in a position of power to do something about it, and now he changes his tune to say, "Oh, I'm supposed to...
I was there to do my job, which is to keep custody of the evidence." No, you weren't there to keep custody of the evidence. You were there to put in custody for the people who are in that evidence, you fucking phony. Anyway I get upset. You have every reason to. So we're being lied to on a massive scale.
The one guy who was credited with stopping the Iran war the first time, they had to get him out of there, and he had realized that he'd woken up and his organization is a Zionist operation as it was from the beginning, and he woke up to that. He was living in a Truman Show, and he orders an investigation a DOE-style investigation into the accounting 'cause there's all...
So they all had motive to not only be a part of it, but to cover it up. And so he orders that. He turns down their money.
they all lie that he said, "They're gonna kill me." Candace Owens proves that the text messages were there. Then, why does the FBI not have control of his phone? Why would they give it to his... none of it makes sense. So this is all a big PSYOP.
He had realized what Zionism was. He realized that Israel was not in our best interest, that they're not our greatest ally, and they had to get... And so they tried everything. some reports said they were offering a billion dollars to his organization, and he turned it down.
And if you can turn that down, there's only one thing left to do, and that's to kill you And it's sad, and you're, just like Seth Rich, you're not allowed to ask questions. And when you're not allowed to ask a... Hey, if you, if Candace Owens is crazy and nuts, then keep, let her talk. Let, give her enough rope to hang herself.
Keep it going, just like Brian Harpell did on that CIA guy's podcast. He gave him enough rope to hang himself, and he hung himself several times on that. It's c- what a used car salesman that Brian Harpell is. He pretends they didn't have drone coverage.
Frank Turek says they were watching the drone coverage on their own phones as they pulled up to the event. So they're lying back and forth all over the place. They didn't have security watching the roof? the local police were supposed to take care of that."
How can you get that? Okay. It's a setup it's a lie, and just like Seth Rich. And Charlie said, just like we learned during COVID, keep asking questions 'cause it's the only thing that keeps us free. And now they've completely flipped his message. Stop. Just stop. Stop asking questions?
That was his whole MO. That was the reason for his raison d'etre was ask questions. Exactly. And now you're not supposed to? And I tell people, you see these social media influencers out there telling you that Candace is evil or demonic, and stop, it happened exactly the way Kash Patel said it did.
If anybody's telling you that, they are corrupted, on the take, and they're your enemy. And do not listen to them, 'cause those people are not there to help you or to help bring you information. They're there to propagandize you and keep you shut up and compliant. The great Jimmy Dore. Wow, you just wound me up.
Okay. I'm gonna need to walk around. Thank you. Okay. It's great to see you, as always. God bless you. You too.